Hello Everyone,
here, I am going to tell you a story about the dawn of EMPERORS and how it all happened and why we are fighting with the UC/Coralition, well, it's a story so it's a bit long.
so here we go, A long time ago, When we were a budding/growing league with a strong foundation, our first territory was, beacons 164, 245, 291 and 292. This is right next to Destiny's territory.
When a beacon spawn of 2 rows occurred, we were supposed to get edge beacons 397 and 396. These were in our territory and would be our new edge, expanding us out. We planned on trying for 395, as that would have been an expansion growth beacon for us. We were able to take only 1 edge beacon, #397, the rest of our beacons destiny took.
Too long ago to remember clearly. But I do remember talk about you expecting to take a beacon above your beacon despite the fact there was a Destiny beacon infront of you and you were in fact 2 rows back. I have a warm fuzzy feeling this is your intrepretation of 2 beacons vs Destiny's 1. Anyway this is so long ago is doesnt really matter.
Destiny also expanded and grew from both corners and took a huge territory of about 9 edge beacons,including 2 corner beacons. They were holding between 25-30 something beacons at this point.
We took no aggressive measures. We thought that we were friends with Destiny and maybe it was a mishap or a mistake. We figured if we talked to test, they would give us our beacons, but they didn't.
We were told that it wasn't our territory. It was supposedly held by a coralition member. This so-called coralition member hasn't held edge beacons for 5 rows of beacon drops and better yet, they weren't even a part of the coralition anymore (not that it mattered if that league was in the coralition or not) but somehow destiny deserved that whole territory, We were told that only edge beacon 397 is ours and whatever other edge beacons of ours that destiny took were their beacons.
After discussions on it all with test and takavver dave, we came up with the solution that we can probably expand every alternate beacon spawn, towards the east side with one extra edge beacon every alternate beacon spawn.
At the time, Teutonic Knights were holding a staging beacon. #343. Test and I were discussed about it and he said that it is our beacon, we should take it and that they would not be taking it. and we agreed on that. The next day, Destiny takes that beacon and passes it on to KoK-Elite. [obviously, when test made that promise, his thought process was Teutonic Knights couldn't be that stupid to just give up that beacon so he agreed to not taking it but when he tried negotiating with them, they agreed to trade that beacon to his own surprise, so he jumped on the deal, I understand the logic behind his decision but still, he broke his promise again
I am pretty sure no-one ever took a Teutonic Knights beacon (will check with others). I think they were part of the KT NAP on KT's side,which would have made it a complete no no (I will check this also). The league we took out up there up there which created Elite's area was Bilksnir.
While all this was happening, there were surprising things happening on the bottom left side of the map. We all were intrigued.
Right next to KT's territory, ROMANIA didn't expand outwards. They didn't take any of the new beacons in their territory. Being their allies, we checked and found out that they weren't going to take any new beacons. That huge territory was free for the taking. With us being stuck up here between KOK-Elite and Destiny and them both trying to squeeze us out we had a lot to consider. Just to give an idea of impact they both made on our territory, we went from a rank 8 league to a rank 27 league with all of our territory squeezed out by KOK-elite and Destiny.
We knew what our options were :-
1) we take back our beacons that destiny took by forceTest also spoke with Romania and figured out that Romania isn't planning to expand outwards, so in our next meeting, he gave a new proposal: lets get you guys out of this top/northern territory and let us help you in expanding on that bottom left corner and take control of the Romania territory and you give up this territory and move down south.
I think it was taken on assumption that Romania were not expanding given they made no attempts at the beacons. We had for a while thought that they had gone inactive due to lack of responses to mails and general inactivity in weekly events etc.
Also it wasnt Test that made the suggestion. The plan that involved you moving was actually hatched between Venom and myself. The convo started as a discussion about how to end tension between KoC and Knights. It involved more leagues than just you. Emps get created a SW 5 edge beacon empire. KoC get the edge you vacate. Tension between Knights solved. Natural competition between Emps, Destiny and Elite solved. Emp become top player with half an edge and 5 beacons (I dont think anyone has been offered a deal like that or will ever be again tbh). It was only possible because the SW corner had fallen to no control due to Romania collapse.
They told us that they can't get any of the coralition leagues set up there as they were in a NAP with KT. Moving any coralition next to KT would irritate KT. With both KT alliance and the coralition almost at the brink of another server war, they didn't want to make things worse.
Not really true. KT and Coralition relationship was pretty good by then. Sky/Fray talked KT regularly. There had been no problems for 6 mnths+. We just started discussing the NAP to trim smaller leagues that kept making trouble and hiding behind the NAP to ensure no tensions would arise between the major parties. FYI KoK had at least 1 captain that preferred KT to a couple of our allies at that time.
As to "could't move" coralition to SW. We had talked about KoC going down there but didn't assess them as ready to hold 5 edge beacons (they lost nearly all def in 2nd KT war to Roanne). We also thought it was probably against the spirit of peace which the NAP was based on to set up right on top of them. So when the plan with Venom developed was a good solution for SW.
The Unforgiven alliance, our former alliance, was growing very strong. Unforgiven's were the only alliance which could have tilted the balance of the server based on if they joined the coralition side or the KT side.
Unforgiven alliance were never a part of their war and they always held a neutral stand on that war and never were on either side as both sides had wronged them in the past, with KT taking their beacons before and the coralition attacking their beacons all the time and threats being made.
Coralition never touched your beacons. You had problems with KoC that were nothing to do with Coralition they were solely with KoC. No other members got involved. You might not know but we had cross words with KoC several times about why they attacked you without talking and agreeing it with us. This caused some friction in Corlation and was part of a falling out between KoC and Destiny (can you believe that Destiny were actually strongly telling someone not to attack you). KoC were very nearly kicked from Coraltion for this.
Both sides had threatened the Unforgiven Knights beacons a lot of times, the main league of the Unforgiven alliance, so they had no intention of joining either side.
UC/Coralition was trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone, getting us out of their territory and helping us move next to KT territory to cause issues between us and KT. UC/coralition thought that they would become very strong. Powerful enough to be able to take KT out, if they made friends with us and could get us to join the UC/Coralition.
This is just not true. I have explained this to you at great length before. Not only did we not intend to create tension between you but at the first sign from KT that they might be interested in an area they had done nothing about for over a month I got them in a room, told them what the plan was with Unforgiven in the SW and asked them if they were already with it. KT Dave said he would have liked those beacons, that they were in discussions with DAM but had they had "snoozed and lost" and that he had no right to tell us you couldn't go in there. He gave us the green light. I made that meeting happen. I made it happen exactly not to leave you in a bad position with KT, which would have been a betrayal of the goodwill we were trying to build with Unforgiven.
We weighted the pros and cons of the new territory offer.
The biggest problem with the offer was that, the corner beacon on the south west side of the map was being held by a KT ally with whom we used to fight with all the time and didn't like them at all, they were our enemies at that time. the DaM NationS league.
DaM NationS helped KT in the server war against the UC/coralition and were friends of the KT alliance. If we were to take that beacon, it would have upset the whole KT alliance. The perception would have been we are with the UC/coralition, which was not the case.
KT alliance were on our diplomacy at that time and had been there for a long time. None of the UC/coralition leagues were on our diplomacy.
As I mentioned above, both KT alliance and the UC/coralition were almost at the brink of a war, every NAP meeting making it worse than the last.
As I already mentioned you have this down completely wrong. There were no issues between us. Friction was gone and with him the problems between us.
A new twist developed in those meetings. UC/coralition had told the KT alliance that they are planning to take the Unforgiven Knights corner beacon.
This is absolutely not true. As no point were we going to do anything in that corner. You won't know this either but we had left GoA/KoC to deal with there own territory. Ask Zap about it, its something he feels very let down by. Coralition used troops several times to help GoA/KoC and they didn't hold their area afterwards. Without really discussing it properly we came to an unspoken understanding that they should earn their own territory, no help. In retrospect it should have been discussed fully out in the open. The reasons were fair reasons but we let our allies down by not being upfront with them. This will feed back into the picture later as well.
UC/coralition was trying to be friendly with us and wanting to be allies while they were threatening to attack as well, so we had no idea what was the truth and what wasn't and so we just couldn't trust them.
As mentioned above this just isn't true.
The KT alliance rallied the entire server against the UC/coralition and basically made a declaration that if that beacon got hit, KT would declare war on the UC/coralition.
Very good of them to organise all that against a threat that didn't even exist!!!!! They were putting a lot of the line for you there. Btw this did come up in the NAP meeting and we repeatedly told them there was no intention to hit Unforgiven and not to worry about it.
KT did all that for us, so we spoke with KT about it all. We asked them about the situation with that DaM NationS beacon. They said that they have been trying to get them moved out of that beacon for a while but they just wouldn't move, they are asking us for 4 beacons for it. We have been trying to get it done as fast as possible but they are taking too much time. We were already worried that someone would take it from them.
I guess on a slight slant from what they told us, sounds like they were happy to let you go in because they felt you were an ally.
So we got a go ahead from KT on that beacon and that territory.
I spoke with the Dave and Test, and we agreed on the deal that we made. We take down those 5 beacons together and then KOK and Destiny gets the top edge beacons and the staging beacons that we held and we move out of that territory.
so when we took down the first beacon 426, held by DaM NationS, UC lost about 15mil - 25mil in softening and we lost about 25mil out of our hammer. I don't really remember the exact numbers but what I do remember is that we had lost more than they did but it was no big deal.
There was 30m in that beacon. I remember because it was piss poor defence for one of the 7 most valuable corner beacons in the game. Again the whole deal was possible because the beacons were badly defended by small or declining leagues (DAM was on the way out by then and had been for quite a while - the fact they had just pissed on KT by asking for 4 beacons for 1 beacon KT could have taken with ease had probably killed them diplomatically too - they were on KT's shit list.
We put 20-25m of softening in from memory, should have been a doozy to take - how you lost 25m is a mystery to me. The point was meant to be that you got to take it with minimal losses. If it didnt happen like that then something went badly wrong in the execution somewhere.
When we took down that corner beacon, it caused a storm on the server. Most of our allies who were close with KT, got mad at us. They said that we back stabbed them and we are working with the UC/coralition. This was what the UC/Coralition wanted. A show to the server that the Unforgiven Emperors were working with the UC/coralition. Screenshots would float around on the server and everyone would be talking about it. Their main goal with it all was to dwindle all support that KT was getting from their allies.
From all said already you must realise that this just isn't the case. From our perspective it was removing a dying league from a beacon. We wouldn't have wanted to start bad feeling with big hitters either. To be honest if this was going to be such a big deal for you, you shouldn't have gone for the deal but I am guessing you were pushing any feelings of letting them down to the side because you were just about to be enshrined as a major edge beacon league. You never once mentioned this problem during the discussion process? We dealt with the diplo with KT, maybe we could have helped with the others.
Spending a few million offense softeners was basically nothing/negligible if we look at the return on investment and the indirect damage done their enemies.
They got a new powerful friend, Unforgiven Emperors. We got congratulated on getting the corner beacon and were sent a diplomatic request of ally by both KOK and Destiny. We thought about it but we just couldn't accept it. We were just pawns in their game. There was no trust built up, so it had to be worked on before we could have any diplomacy.
So at this point you don't trust us. This is going to cause all the problems. You don't trust us because you think KT and Coralition are nearly at war when they aren't. You are being manipulated to a position of tensions with KT. But we dont have massive tension with KT and we had actually done everything possible to ensure KT were OK with you being there. That other Unforgiven beacons were under threat from Coralitoin when there were no such plans.
Now from our side we have just taken a corner beacon for a league that isn't allied with us. It's allied with KT but not with us. We hope you are at least neutral but the in-game screen say you aren't. We have lost troops for you. We haven't got anything in return yet.
And now you refuse to set us to ally. Now I understand all the paranoia and mistrust properly I know why you didn't ally. BUT you have to stop and think how it looked to us. For us it was like you were refusing to be our friend. You had good relations with KT (were an ally), you were about to have good relationship with Coraltion and you were getting 5 edge beacons. You had it made. What possible reason would you have for not going ally with us after we had offered you all that and executed the massively important corner beacons for you. All take and no give. Alarm bells start ringing. Your personal stock takes a massive dive in the UC.
We spoke about our plans on how to move forward with the rest of the beacons. Our prior arrangement was for us to work on all 5 beacons together. Test was all good with the plan until we took the 1 beacon.
Test changed his mind and then he came strong at us, asking us to give up our top beacons.
Because by now you wouldn't make us ally. We had strong suspicions we were being taken for a ride. You wouldn't make us ally so to show some good faith you could at least hand over one of the beacons you were supposed to free up
What we had agreed upon was that we take all those 5 beacons first, then after that, when we are well established and stable on the bottom area then we pass on the top beacons to KOK/Destiny.
We hadn't defined what well established and stable means when we made that agreement so I explained that it means 1 week's time after we take those 5 beacons, we give those top beacons.
Clearly at this stage it was going to be unacceptable for us to sort you out 5 beacons, not have ally ship, have nothing in return from you at all and just take it on trust that you would give up the beacons (but you were offering no olive brand to trust you from)
Test wasn't happy about it and tried to change the whole deal and tried to force us to give up our top beacons before we move forward with anything.
By now you understand why. And with each passing stalemate between you and Test the distrust with you was increasing across all Coraltion
After much discussion on it all, and still 4 more beacons to take,we modified the deal a bit. We decided that, Unforgiven Emperors take 2 beacons by themselves. The other 2, one KOK would take out and 1 Destiny would take out. With each beacon taken by KOK/Destiny, we would pass on our top/northern beacons. Both parties were happy with this new deal and so it was finalized.
We took those 2 bottom beacons as per the deal. When KOK/Destiny's turn came on fulfilling their part of the deal, we were told to accept the diplomatic status of ally.
This is probably not Test's fault, I don;t remember exactly but I suspect in between you agreeing that with Test and taking the beacons the UC had voted to do nothing for you until you accepted ally. If you couldn't do that simple thing for us then what were we doing dealing with you at all. Certainly losing more troops for you was a complete no no.
That was not a part of the deal that we made but, we would gladly accepted the diplomatic status of ally after the deal was concluded, if followed though. It was a simple matter of trust.
So you and Test reached a stand-off. You wanted everything without giving anything back, had refused ally, had refused any beacon transfers to us, refused ally again. You werent willing to give us anything to show your goodwill. You won't find it suprising then that by this point we had all decided we had been played. You personal relationship with Test was a rock bottom by now - he was utterly frustated and fed up dealing with (which is made all the more problematic because no TS.)
I am sure that if you had TS and meetings went at x10 the pace of the misconceptions you had about KT relationship, our motivations for helping you in SW, that were werent planning attacks on anyone would have all come out and been put to bed. You would have trusted us. You would have put us to ally and we would have had confidence in you. Emps would now be one of the strongest leagues in the game, in top 5 and wouldn't have had to drop $100k + on the game to "make a point".
We said that we can give them the same diplomacy as we have given to KT, ie: at peace. We only give ally status once the trust has been built and we can trust one another.
We were told that they don't do at peace status with anyone, it is either ally or nothing. We told them that lets do the deal and then we can be allies after the conclusion of the deal. This would build trust on both sides. We were told we have to accept the diplomatic status prior to them doing anything, so again, new modifications made to the deal.
Asking for peace would have made us even more suspicious. Peace status has been used before in the game to BS people. Someone takes your beacons, they get handed to someone else who is at peace with you and you cant get them back for 3 days. With 3 days the other league has time to stack and you have lost your beacons. Coraltion just DOESNT do peace for this reason (only so we dont bump into eachother on beacons). It's strategically stupid. You were asking us to do something stupid. In fact from our perception you were asking us to do something that could only be used against us. So I think by now we are thinking your are fully aligned with KT and have played us for fools, to lose us troops, make enemies out of the smaller leagues attacked and hand you 5 edge beacons.
Those 2 beacons down south were never taken by KOK/Destiny and so we never gave them our top/northern beacons either as per the deal.
another nail in the coffin, we got nothing for the help on the corner beacon.
I felt bad about how the relationship growth between the two sides just stopped and didn't go the way we thought it would so I really wanted to talk to test. I wanted an open and honest conversation to help resolve things. We needed to put all of our cards on the table, to help build trust as I felt like there was no trust on both sides. I couldn't trust him and he couldn't trust me. I couldn't trust him for obvious reasons but I am not sure why he couldn't trust me. I think he thought that we were working with KT or something? not sure exactly what his thought process was on not being able to trust me but I just felt like he didn't so this was another reason for me to not be able to trust him.
"but I am not sure why he couldn't trust me" - well if you have read this far you will understand. And with a little imagination you should really have been able to work it out for yourself. You and Test never understood eachothers postions, never ironed out the mistrust. You both complely messed this up.
It was at this time I stepped into the crisis and had a 5 hour conversation with you. I had a hunch that there was much confusion and mistrust on both sides and that you weren't as bad as you looked to us. I could see there was no way past the impass in the agreement. You wouldn't ally or hand over beacons until you got everything you were promised out of the deal. I knew the UC would only agreed to continue if you gave them something to trust you by - either ally or transfer of some of the agreed beacons.
So to try and stop a complete breakdown in relations between everyone I promised you that KoK would help you on next beacon spawn, take and hold the area infront of the 5 beacons you were promised (actually I think maybe we agreed you would control the left 2 so KoK wasn't popping up near KT, we would do the right hand 3. So despite every reason you had given us not to trust you I held out an olive branch and put KoK troops on the line for you. There was no way any1 from UC was going to lift a finger for you at that point (in fact things were getting far worse as we will see soon)
I went to Destiny's teamspeak to meet with test to hopefully resolve things. I spoke with him a bit and explained to him that those top/northern beacons are still ours as the deal wasn't completed. I told him that we might be planning to give those beacons to another league or maybe we might just keep it for ourselves and will expand on that 1 edge beacon, just straight up and as it is just 1 edge beacon so it shouldn't affect either KOK Elite or Destiny's territory and then I asked him what he thought about it and what his opinions were.
Listening to this, test got madddd, he basically lost it, was furious. and he blew up. He said, lets have war, shall we? lets fight, lets just fight, and kept repeating it.
Finally he came to his senses and said, don't worry man, we are not going to attack your beacons, I am just upset but we are not going to attack your beacons so don't worry about it and then he left teamspeak.
Had he just told us how he felt about those beacons and how badly he wanted them and had a discussion with us to try to explain to us nicely, we may have just given it to them, but he didn't.
No one gave a monkey's about the beacons. They were to be given to smaller/new leagues. The reason they meant something was as a sign of your goodwill (or unfortunately by then a sign of your badwill in our perception). Either handing over a beacon or giving us ally would have seen the agreement proceed and us continue to help you take beacons in SW.
The very next day beacons dropped. Everyone expected it to be another 2 rows drop. Only 15 beacons dropped. No beacons dropped in our area, or Destiny's or KOK's area. Beacons only dropped in Unforgiven Knights and KT's area.
The Emperors were already ready, waiting to take the new beacons so we helped Unforgiven Knights. We took those newly spawned beacons in the Unforgiven Knights area and moved our mobile defenses into them. Destiny and KOK had nothing better to do at that time either, so they both decided to attack our beacons.
I'll be straight up with you here. You won't be suprised by now we perceived Emps as an enemy now. You personally were seen as a complete snake. UC had pretty much sanctioned a war with you (the Emps, rather than the other Unforgiven). I think you got the timing of this a bit wrong as I am pretty sure you had already dropped the SW to KT, cementing everyone's view that you shafted us from the start.
Destiny jumped the gun by smacking you, which caused a lot of trouble behind the scenes in UC. I think one of our captains, Athiest Mage played beacon pong with you for PvP, which also not good. You didnt get anything major from KoK though, we didn't league strike or hit majorly defended beacons, just 1 guy operating on his own pinging undefended beacons for PvP. As I said a lot of trouble brewed in Coralition for attacks coming before agreement with whole Coralition. Irony though this mini war you had ended, up closing the chapter from Coralition side and plans to attack Emps were shelved.
Destiny took out our first 2 beacons lvl 1 beacons which had our mobile defenses in them. I went to their teamspeak and spoke with them on what is up and why are they attacking our beacons.
I was told that one of our players, Zwelgje told them somehow that they are scared of us or something of that nature and that's why they attacked them. Test said that there wouldn't be anymore hits on our beacons and to not worry about it and that he has asked his league to not do anymore attacks on our beacons.
I went back to our teamspeak and told our guys that there wouldn't be anymore hits and that I just spoke with test and he promised it. A few hours later, they take down 4 more of our beacons. This is including the top/northern territory's edge beacons.
I can't comment on what you agreed with Test as I wasn't part to your discussions and suggestion of there being an interim cease fire have never come up before. So first I have heard of it.
I asked again what it was about and was told that, as when their hamlets get hit, we tell them that hamlets are a fair game and we are a pvp league so I was told that for this league pvps, they were acting like a pvp league just like Emperors do and that our beacons were hit because we hit their hamlets so it was just for pvps.
I don't think this was the reason the beacons were hit - the true reason was Emps were percieved as an enemy by then. BUT I can tell you that the constant settlement and hamlet attacks from a league that you are trying to handle delicate discussion with was just another nail in the coffin of trusting Emps. Maybe its your culture to want PvP over all else but it was seen as extremely negatively by us, our culture would be not to cause stress with a league(s) your trying to build trust with, we wouldn't understand your position (until you just explained it above).
Test then goes to the forums and makes a post bragging about how it was a great war they had with the emperors and how it was a major victory for destiny. I was like, seriously?? :P
After this, it was pretty clear that we weren't going to be friends anytime soon. With no trust whatsoever now, we were worried that destiny would come after our edge beacons, especially the corner beacon in the southern area. KOK might try to get Romania to attack us as they were close friends with Romania. We had no diplo with Romania at the time and Romania did try to poke at our beacons as well.
Don't know where you get that from. We had nothing going on with Romania at all by then. Sounds from ealier that you guys had an open channel with them (you checked they were OK for you to be in the SW corner). We were getting nothing back from them.
We decided to made a deal with KT. We could swap our beacons with them and move over to the west side of the map, next to the other unforgiven leagues. When new beacons spawn, we can easily grab beacons for one another and we also get 1 edge beacon from KT on each beacon spawn as well so both KT and us grow together. This was a much better plan for our league.
Seeing that, again, UC/coralition thought that we just gave our beacons to KT. They didn't care about Unforgiven Emperors. It was all about their hatred for KT, nothing else mattered, we were just mere pawns in their cold war with KT and so they decided it was time to take us out.
Anyone that read the story so far will see that from our perspective
We had gone out of our way to build a relationship with you in order to give you a reason to stay neutral. I would hardly say pawns as the flipping deal was amazing for you and we sorted out any problems with KT so you had a free run with no downside (now I know you didnt realise that due to trust issues). No one ever in the history of the game got offered a deal like that. You would have had good relationships with both major alliances, prime edge. Emps would have been set for several years but you absolutely blew it.
Plans were set for first taking out the Unforgiven Knights.
Coralition turned into UC to make it look like it wasn't made against KT and Anarchy joined in it as well. The only reason anarchy joined them was to take KT off the map.
Nope wrong again. We changed the name because Coraltion was explicity formed as an anti-KT agression alliance - a pack of mutual defence vs KT agression. There is a forum post on record explaining the formation. With the improving relationship with KT and extension of the NAP, changes to their leadership, everything with them was good. We had discussed changing the name to remove the anti-KT stigma and with a change of membership coming in the form of Anarchy the timing was right and the trigger got pulled.
While we are on this topic I will give you a massive slice on inside info. At the start of the year I had asked the Coralition to start a war with KT. I was quite open that I was getting bored and disinterested in the game and wanted a definitive fight to the death. Amazing content and closure to the 2015 wars, would be a great way to bow out of the game. Death or glory. My hope was that we might be able to work with KT leadership quietly and ensure no matter who won that everyone got a home at the end and the losers weren't hounded out of the game. I was absolutely and utterly voted down. Not 1 other single person voted for the idea.
You can talk to Anarchy about why they joined Coralition but if they thought they were coming to destroy KT, they joined the wrong unit.
People might talk in druken moments about all sorts of shit but by then KT was in decline. Many leaders had moved to other leagues, mainly Fellowship, taking with them significant off/def. Sorry KT Dave but our perception of KT leadership was one of farmville (especially as they had failed to sieze the opportunity to take the SW when it was so open). The activity levels were clearly dropping. Coralition strategy for KT was simply to continue to let them decline. Why start a war that would cost us troops, even if were totally confident of winning, when time would do it for us? Over the last 3 months before the new war the strategy war proven correct and KT slipped to 3rd (and I suspect would have continued to slip down further and further over time).
So the imperialism started growing, Test/coralition/UC wanted complete control of the map.
Yeah you just made that up totally. We have only ever really been about defending and securing the territories we are all already in. In a whole year and a half the only offensive actions the alliance has taken was to taken down Silverhammer (because he just kept stating over and over again he was planning to take us down and honoured none of our agreements) and the NW corner attack on Knights. Individual leagues have their individual beefs, as they should in a war game, but the power of the alliance was brought to bear only twice.
They decided to take most of the Unforgiven Knights territory including the corner beacon and the ones next to it. They wanted the corner beacons to be held by their allies. They thought that, as they are massive with their many big/top ranked leagues all together, they can just do anything they wanted. They can dictate to us and can take our beacons from us, just because we didn't agree to join the coralition/UC.
Well this is a sorry tale because Knight got hit for being in the wrong time at the wrong place. Again like most of this history, something I have explained to them but clearly no1 listened and chose just to misread the situation yet again by the sounds of it.
Remember earlier when I told you Coralition had let KoC/GoA down. Well months down the line we in Coraltion came to see that. We had open and honest discussion at last about how people felt. Can't lose troops for ever supporting a member league, was fair point. BUT if member was part of the alliance then we should have stood by them. If ppl no longer wanted to support a league in that position, should have asked to leave not had its support quietly withdrawn. People started coming to the conclusion we had let GoA down, leaving them to deal with their own territory solely on their own was a betrayal of the alliance. And they had come under attack from multiple leagues in concerted attacks and we hadn't helped.
The final catalyst in that healing came when Fellowship jumped in beacon 405. There was distrust between us and Fellowship (that Lucien now cleared away) going back to the KT wars and Fellowship had picked up a lot of the captains that we were peceived to be the anit-Coralition ppl (another reason trust had been growing in KT). It galvanised the Coraltion to support GoA/KoC properly. While we didn't want to start a war with Fellowship but we wanted the Coraltion to make a clear statement it wasn't giving up the NW corner. Given, due to the absolute failure of diplo with you, we had no love for Unforgiven it was decided to take 3 beacons around the NW corner to show the game GoA/KoC were serious in that area.
It wasn't an anti Unforgiven action as much as it was a pro GoA/KoC action. If anything it was anti Fellowship but really after showing a lot of weakness in the NW corner we wanted to make the statement that we were serious about that area after all.
Standing neutral, wasn't acceptable. The decision was already made for us that we are either with them or we are against them and are to be taken off the map. Test/UC/coralition wanted complete control of the server and wanted to dictate to the server what they could do or couldn't do and we weren't playing by their rules. We decided to not be their puppets and told them that we were our own entity and we have self respect, integrity and honor and we do what we think is right and that we are not going to do what they want us to do unless we think it is the right thing to do. That is where the problem was. It wasn't an acceptable form of behavior in Coralition/UC's eyes. so we are either under them and abide by their rules or we are against them.
Most of that paragraph is just crazy talk. By now you have so misread the situation your theories on why ppl were doing things were totally off the mark. As far as we were concerned you had never been neutral and to be honest if you look back at your actions, your really made it look like you weren't. Even as I read all thoughts, understand your perception, I sometimes wonder fleetingly if you are pulling our legs and its all spin. But on balance I see this post as an honest view of your side.
So after taking control of that territory, they offered peace to us, said, lets have a NAP or Non-Agression Pact, it means we can't attack each others beacons. This was just after they attacked Knights beacons. We agreed to it as they were just too strong and massive, I mean all of the top leagues on the server all combined together, no one can fight such a thing, so it was just too one sided battle that we had no chance of winning so we agreed to the NAP.
The NAP was my idea. As you now know the NW corner attack was nothing to do with Unforgivens really. I wanted you to have the security of the NAP so that Unforgiven would know that we had no plans to come after them further. You make your future plans without a threat over your shoulders.
There were a few initial meeting for the NAP, to be sure that everyone was on the same page. In those meetings, there were ridiculous stipulations on the NAP agreement, all one sided.
I absolutely refute it was one-sided. That is a biased opinion due solely to the stipulation about you.
I was to be demoted, and never to do any diplo.
You had at this point told us all you were quitting the game. You were seen was someone that couldn't be trusted in the slightest (and you probably realise from the miscommunication and mistrust on both sides, that opinion was perfectly logical for us to come to).
No-one in UC thought there was any chance of your side honouring the NAP if you were involved in Emps. Given you were supposed to be quitting it wasn't seen a an overly onerous request to push that along and make it happen for the good of the NAP.
And lets face it through your dislike for our leagues, sadly driven all through misunderstanding as we now know, you wanted to get revenge and were already planning against us. We were actually spot on that there would not be a lasting meaningful NAP between us with you playing a major part in running EMPs, look where we are now.
Anything THEY deemed to be a breach of “Spirit of Peace”, would end the NAP agreement.
Again you misunderstand virtually everything at every step.
We had a completely bullshit NAP with Friction after the first KT war. Lots of terms and conditions. Friction pushed absolutely everything to the letter of the law and beyond. The NAP was a waste of time because there was no conviction to working to peaceful relations, it was used and abused.
By the time the second NAP game (when Roanne's money had walked out the game) there was a real desire for peace and rebuilding of trust. So that whole NAP wasn't structured with loads of rules it was structured simply that both sides would act in the spirit of peace. You won't do anything to the other side you wouldn't like done to yourself. Don't need to make a rule for it - you know when you are crossing the line and shouldn't.
This was explained at painful length, quite a lot of the time by myself. I thought Unforgivens got it clearly you didn't. "The spirit of peace" means no BS from either side. It means its a proper NAP not just a paper nap with no meaning behind it. You were being offered exactly what you propably wanted but through distrust again heard the opposite.
Just more chains around the Emperors.
Prior to the nap being signed, test was already busy trying to take our allies away by offering them his inside beacons. One such ally was Les Indomptables, he offered them a beacon.
I highly doubt that is true. I can tell you as a fact that Destiny was in the middle of reducing their number of beacons and looking for up and coming leagues to give them to. I can tell you as a fact that Les Indomptables never came up in discussion, either formally at UC meetings or informally any time I talked to Test. If he was in the middle of getting one over on you he would have probably told me as he would have been keen to share his plan, as most of us are when we think we have clever ideas. All the evidence to me strongly says it was nothing to do with taking your ally away but I can't prove that to you conclusively.
When they asked him if they have any problems or issues with the Emperors, he tells them that destiny is in a nap with the emperors, and that there are no issues between them. This was obviously a blatant lie, as there was no nap between the leagues at that time, it was in discussion but there was no nap in place.
A few hours after the NAP gets signed and put in place, I find out that one of the captains of Les Indomptables, a friend of mine called Greyrat has joined Destiny.
It was a huge shock for me and so I asked him what he was doing in there. He told me that destiny wants to see his defense numbers. He was on a diplomatic mission to get a beacon for his league. They need his help with something and then he would go back to his league.
Well this might come as a huge shock to you also.... he moved over to Destiny as he had offered softening blows to Destiny in return for the beacon gift. He didn't want to do softening blows from his leauge as it might get them in trouble so he agreed to do them from Destiny and moved his account to Destiny.
And lets me logical right now - if Destiny asked for softening blows as a price for giving away a beacon do you really think they were trying to peel away your ally. If they were doing that they would have offered them for free. Hell they would have offered him multiple beacons cause they were getting rid of 6/7.
Greyrat asked them if they have any problems with the emps and that he would only take a beacon from them if they don't have any problems with the emperors.
There was no such nap in place at the time when Destiny was talking with him,and saying that there were no issues between emperors and destiny? I mean, is he for real? so it was all a lie. Destiny was working on our allies before the NAP was ever signed.
So my now I am guessing you realise you called it all wrong, through misunderstanding. I suspect why Greyrat didn't tell you the whole story is because he didnt want to reveal intel about a hit he was about to be involved in. Clearly Destiny would have asked that you not be made aware of any strategic plans. It's just tragic misunderstanding after tragic misunderstanding but its about to get worse.
I told greyrat that test is a lier and a backstabber and that he shouldn't take a beacon from them. I asked him to leave that league and to go back to his own league before destiny could see his numbers.
You didnt ask him to leave you threatened him, for him and his league to have nothing to do with Destiny or else. I have seen the screenshots.
So Test's perception (with no knowledge of your previous relationship with the Indomptables) was that it was actually you who was trying to bully someone away from becoming closer with Destiny. And that was an exact example we had been through in the NAP meeting as a spirit of peace (no cold war trying to break people's allies). He came in raging to TS when he found out what you said to Greyrat. Given everyone already had a terrible opinion of you, it got even worse knowing you were working against Destiny while in talks for a "spirit of peace" NAP. At least that is how it all seemed from our side.
What I didn't know was the fact that Jezebel, the former Bilskirner Captain and now a captain in Destiny was his in-game neighbor and a close friend of his and they both started playing together so he took screenshots of what I wrote to him and sent it to Jezebel.
Which in turn, got passed onto test and test being what he is, twisted the whole story and said to everyone in the UC/coralition, look how shin blatantly insults me and destiny, and says all this to my *Newest members*, which wasn't his league member, he was there on a diplomatic mission.
He didn't twist anything. He simply gave us the screenshots of what you sent to Greyrat. Your messages kind of spoke for themselves, they didn't need any embelishment. But now I kind of see why you wrote them as you were mad that you thought someone was trying to take your ally (but they weren't).
Because I talked to a friend, Test said it is not in the spirit of peace and straight away pulled out of the NAP.
See - this is the problem with Test. Far from the horrible person you think he is, he is in fact quite principled. And he can't stand when people are lying and BS'ing him. So while say KoK will not be emotional about it and see what can be salvaged from the mess he will take it really personally and get mad, hence knee jerk reaction to pull out.
Just to be clear, the NAP had just been signed. Destiny pulled out right away.
To help resolve this, we had 2 NAP meetings every alternate week with the UC/coralition. In them, a direct threat was given to FRENZIE to either kick Emperor Shin out of the league or there would be no NAP. I told her that if she thinks that I should be kicked, I would respect her decision. She is a very smart, intelligent girl and she saw how Test was trying to manipulate her. She decided to pull Emperors out of the NAP instead.
After the Greyrat fiaso on top of ever other reason you had given us to distrust you, everyone in UC was still under the impression with you around there was zero change for a meaninful NAP. Far from being smart she has helped push us to the disaster server war we have which threatens the whole game. Smart would have been to listen and understand things from our perspective, not jump to the conclusion that we must be evil for asking for such a thing. Bit like the smart I had shown you months before.
So at this point both EMPS and Destiny were both out of the NAP, while the remaining leagues stayed in. This gave the UC/coralition complete freedom to come after the Emperors whenever they felt like it.
After us pulling out of the NAP, it was inevitable that the UC/Coralition would be going to come after us sooner or later. So, before they could take us out, we made our own plans to take them out first.
We made plans to get our fortress to lvl 20 and get rid of all the beacons and then go after them all. It was perfect, with the fortress flag tourney bonuses, we had 30% offense bonus so that added with the rest of the buffs, we had more than enough offense to easily wipe out the whole UC/coralition very comfortably and we were going to do just that, hell, even the UC/coralition knew that fact as well that if we wanted to, we could have wiped them off the map easily.
You forgot the bit where you got a league paypal to pay for that fortress (and I suspect although strongly denied for troop revivial)....and spent $50-$100k on coining a 0.8bn hammer (now coined to 1.5bn). Despite all money spent your your league off/def is about 1/5th of what is lined up against you.
So no, you weren't in a position to easily wipe out the Coraltion. We had intel you were coming for over a month and simply emptied all our inside beacons and stacked the strategically important edge ones. We did this so that under the siege mechanic we would still get decent kills on your hammer. Having spread defence would have been really ineffective. We did the same in the KT war. We are used to defending ourselves against stupid coining.
In fact I told you all of this. But rather than understand and take the strategy back to Emps/Unforgiven you let them stay in their widely and evently spread beacons, where they were very cheaply picked off. They would still be on the map had they gone to a small number of stacked beacons. I suspect your ego wanted you to believe you had seriously damaged KoK / Elite / UC, not that you had hardly killed anything we have.
but just a day or 2 prior to us taking them out, I just thought about it all and felt like, if we take out the whole UC/coralition, what then?
I mean, we would be wiping out leagues here. The top leagues on the server with one of the best leaderships on the server. Yes, test is an ******* and stuckup but he is also a good leader and I respect his leadership skills, just as much as I despise everything else about him and more imporantly KOK had some of the best leaders in the game also.
I just didn't want to wipe them off the map. It would be a tragic loss for the server. Most players, when they lose their defense, they just quit the game. I have been there. I know how it feels. We all need enemies and friends in this game. Without enemies, a war game is just no fun then, is it?
We knew that if we attacked KOK and KOK elite, test would most likely just ask them all to merge with him, as that is what he loves to do, all of destiny's allies usually have that same fate, ie, they get wiped off the map by their own ally destiny.
Not sure I believe this as it seemed to come as a suprise to you when I told you. You even then sent me mails saying I was a liar and backstabber and had just been buying time, even thought the whole time I had hinted an urgency to disucsions because a major changed was coming (the formation of super league to fight Emps is a disaster for the server IMO).
Maybe at this stage and for the last few paragraphs you have been grandstanding to the crowd, rather than actually meaning what you say. I suspect no1 but me got this far though.
Making a point to the UC/coralition out trumped it all, so we decided to not wipe out KOK Elite and KOK. Instead we just hurt them a bit, to make them see that we can also do the same thing to them. We could have wiped them off the map but we didn't . We took just 5 of KOK-Elite's beacons. KOK sent us war offer so we gladly accepted and had a war with them.
This might come as a suprise to you but all you killed was Elite's inactive defence. All the leagues active defense was in the edge (just like ours).
King of Kings were the Rank 1 league on the server with the best leadership on the server at the time.
Yes - well done you punished the one league that doesnt have it position through coin. You did it with a giant coined hammer.
You damaged the one league that had done the most to try and secure Unforgivens future, probably more than KT or any of your allies.
We went for a 8 of 9 edge stack strategy to get the defence to the point it would do 1:1 loss ratio on your attacks. You hit 3 beacons, one being the emptied 9th, so in all your attacks (Elite and KoK) you hit 2 decently defended beacons. Annoyingly the 30% boost pushed you to a better result than 1:1 but you lost 5% and 10% of the hammer in the two big fights - not that you would know or appreciate that knowing nothing of the seige mechanic and having no idea what we had in our beacons (being able to strength test and read battle reports not being a skill any of our enemies seem to have ever had). Blind hit with massive coined hammer ... uggggg!!!!
so we had a proper official war with KOK, with KOK actually wanting it and offering it so we had a lot of fun in it.
Yes awesome fun. Watch people with no understanding or skill in the game distort it with uber coining. Great day for the game, something for everyone to be proud of.
Test who couldn't fight his own wars alone ever, got GOA, KOK, KOK-Elite merged in with Destiny to form a super league to have a war with us. We are basically fighting with Rank 1, Rank 2, Rank 4 and Rank 6 leagues all merged into one.
I know you really want it to be Test to fit into the narrative you have in your head after all these months of misunderstanding. Elite decided to drop beacons and just "do an Emps" be pure offense/PvP without a care. It was only subsequent to them dropping beacons that the idea of super league got touted. There were a lot of ppl in the room (I wasn't cause I was talking to you). By the time I came out from you after about 4/5yrs everyone was punch drunk with the idea, although it hadn't been shared with everyone I could see it was probably going to build a lot of momentum fast.
We are still waiting on them to accept the war which they still haven't, scared much?. It has been pending for 3 weeks. a war status is pending with both GOA and KOK elite as well, as we are basically single-handedly having a war with 4 of the top Ranked leagues on the server.
It's not a war is it.
You have a coined hammer to pound on ppl's defences. They do the strategically sensible thing and get into smaller numbers of super stacked beacons. No one but the 3 coined hammer players in your league is doing anything. No one in UC can do anything but wait for your attacks cause they have nothing to attack. So basically nothing happens.
So this amazing war fun, is 3 players doing a league strike. I expect next time you will get softeners done but because you know nothing about the mechanics they will die w/o doing hardly any damage, so all those ppl from Knights/Kings etc will just pointless waste their entire game. The 3 person hammer will hit, it will get worn down. The threat will be over and game goes on, major leagues will remake their beacon territory (just like after KT war).
That is assuming you don't keep spending and literally buy the server.
Maybe they will see now, not all leagues are their puppets.
A new dawn is rising.......
That assuming you keep spending and literally buy the server. About $300-400k to get parity by my reckoning (and that assumed you coin efficiently which today's forum evidence suggests you don't). There is one for all the people funding the league paypal, the people in charge know so little about the game they waste your money.
I once offered my servives to Friction for $15k a week. I would spend the coining efficiently for them. While it was a troll, I really could have saved them more than $15k a week. While you aren't spending quite at there level I am happy to pitch the same offer to you guys for $5k a week. Deadly serious - and I can guarantee you will make a profit out of my fee.
Where I think this is going is Unforgivens/Emps will end up with no defence (assuming Emps every come out to play). Depending on how much you spend so may Super league. At that point you could both be beaconless with no def, just offence. You will both just PvP the server to death. The beacon map and the ranking will become totally distorted with no corrispondence to the real power, organisation and quality of the leagues (they kind of already are). A shit load of players may well quit. The server may never recover.
That is where my money is for the future of the server.
Remember that you put all that in motion.
Remember you did it due completely to msunderstanding and mis-preception.
For those that know the in-side workings of the game it will be remembered as a tragedy, as mistrust and drove 2 parties apart, 2 parties that could have worked together had human nature not had just a hint too much paranoia. If only you had a headset, maybe it would have turned out differently.